Oleksiy Arestovych: "A human being is a creature that must constantly overcome itself."

Anatoly Golubovsky

The interview was postponed twice due to Alexei's workload. But nevertheless, our meeting took place. I probably won't introduce anything else.

- You're an atypical military man. Both in the way of thinking and in the way of acting. How did it happen?

- How did I get into the army or how did I become an atypical military man?

- Both

- In 1993, I entered the Black Square Theater. He himself comes from the family of a hereditary officer. And in the theater - Neelov, Voloshenyuk, who by that time had served in the army. They go on stage – they have something to play, the amount of life experience allows. And I have nothing to play - a seventeen-year-old boy. And I thought: "I'm going to join the army." The only reason I thought they were bigger than me was because they had already served their time. Life experience, non-standard twists and turns, choice. After all, the army is in a sense a school. They saw all sorts of things there, all were heroes: Neelov served in Angola, Voloshenyuk in Karabakh and Yerevan, Andrei Ivanenko was a firefighter. I went to the military registration and enlistment office and enlisted in the army. And the next day I had to leave, I turned to my father:
- What to take to the army?
- Why do you need it?
- I'm leaving tomorrow
- Are you crazy? What did you forget there?
- I'll run, shoot. I will become courageous

- Well, in fact, my father asked a reasonable question

-Yes. He was a high-ranking person, the head of the admissions committee at the Academy of National Defense - acquaintances, influence and all that. And so he and his officer friends said: "You don't need to join the troops, and if you want to shoot, run and taste the army as such, go to a military school. There you will somehow get what you want: it is already 94 years in the yard, the collapse of the country, the soldiers are only working with shovels and no one is shooting anywhere." I wanted to move to the Kiev Combined Arms, but he was relocated to Odessa, and I entered there. Well, then I met people who served in intelligence, and they had a very big influence on me - I realized that this is also a school in which you can develop

- As a person?

-Yes. I decided to get into reconnaissance. And he did. He served in the Main Intelligence Directorate, at the same time running to the Black Square. Since in order to play improvisation, you need to understand the motivations of characters and people well, and in order to be an intelligence officer, you need the same, I began to study psychology deeply. It has become a unifying factor. Now I am a practicing psychotherapist and psychologist — I do theoretical developments and engage in individual therapy. And everything I do in public is a kind of psychotherapy on a national scale.
As for atypicality, there are military men like me. So, although this phenomenon is no matter how small, I am no exception. I have the same friends. It's just that as a military man they know very little about me. If necessary, I can build it up in such a way that mom is dear. I turn on another subpersonality, I become, if necessary, a stupid resolute infantryman who builds, drives, strains, "take the lying rest". I am not interested, but if it is necessary, as, for example, in the ATO zone in a critical situation, then I turn on the captain's roar and everyone runs along the string and does what is necessary. It's hard to see this in a subtle intelligent hipster, which I look like, but it's in me



- And how close is this subpersonality to you?

- Not very close, but I have it as a working tool and, if necessary, I can use it.

- Why did you leave?

- Because after Yushchenko came to power, the process of replacing professionals with amateurs according to party quotas began

- Didn't it start earlier?

- No, it still held out under Kuchma. And Yushchenko began to stupidly ruin. It became uninteresting to serve

- Was it done consciously and purposefully?

- Rather, it was a consequence. When they began to appoint people like Yurochka Lutsenko to head the services, everything became clear. In addition, I began to outgrow the army, lifestyle, and range of interests. Although it worked at a strategic level, and this is a completely different vision, when the service itself makes you think globally. Otherwise, it will not be possible to serve. And it was interesting, but still I began to outgrow it - I set myself more interesting tasks than the service set for me. Cognitive tasks. Activity. And the army began to limit my height. In fact, by that time I had become my own general—I didn't need a boss to guide me. I learned how to teach myself, how to assign my own tasks, how to go it alone, and how to create the right resources. And he quit.

- And after that?

- For some time I acted and improved my psychology. My principle is continuous self-education. Even now, I devote several hours a day to this

- Probably, this is the natural way of a conscious person

- Not for everyone

- How did fate bring you together with Korchinsky?

- I longed for serious conversations on serious topics, and I have a specific range of interests. Interested in theology, history, psychology, politics and art

- As for theology, is it an internal or professional urge?

- Search urge. I am engaged in non-denominational theology, cross-cultural theological research. As, for example, the same idea is presented in Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and Taoism. And all this through the prism of the human psyche.
So, I was looking for a social circle in which I could talk about such a narrowly specific topic with cross-disciplinary contacts. To link theology with art, art with history, history with politics, and so on. And the only one I found in Ukraine was Korchinsky. He can talk about such topics. If I went to the Dresden Gallery and sat for an hour near a painting, discussing it, I found no one but Korchinsky for such an act. And I began to interact with him primarily in this area. But because he is a politician, he has a strong tendency to make all his friends work for politics. I helped him once, twice. But after ten years of friendship, questions have accumulated. I didn't like some of his methods, I didn't like the contacts, the principles. In addition, I learned to produce the intellectual product I needed on my own. And he outgrew this contact. I am growing intensively. So at one time he outgrew his relations with the army, Black Square and Korchinsky. And the formal reason for the break was his political proposal, which I refused. For him, this was fundamentally important. We were mutually offended and parted.

- In addition to Korchinsky, did you receive political proposals?

-A little. A couple of times

- Do you consciously distance yourself from politics?

- I produce it, but my own. And I don't play system games in principle. I mock them



- Why do you need this? Once, commenting on the events on the Maidan, you mentioned that you refused to speak in front of an audience, because you understood that you would quickly be overwhelmed

-Yes. Moreover, they would have failed "their own", the Maidan, as soon as they saw that the leadership was being seized. If I had made a fifteen-minute speech there, everything would have been decided with the leaders of the Maidan. And with me too

- And by doing what you are doing now, don't you designate yourself as a future leader?

- I don't designate it on purpose. Sometimes I make a slip of the tongue for fun, but this is nothing more than decorating the speech. Style. As for the content, I will never take a single step to become a leader

- And if they come, like to Rurik?)

- If they come and say: "They flogged, because we need to save Nenka", then I will save her. But then I will honestly surrender all powers, I will not be a hereditary ruler. When I see that all the problems have been solved and continuity in politics has been created, and those people who will remain after me will not destroy what I have created. In politics, continuity is very important

-Think so. What we see in the politics of Ukraine now comes from the Soviet Union

- The period of its disintegration. Worst.
Why do I criticize them? My task is to cure the human brain

- That is, you continue to do what you do at seminars and personal consultations

-Exactly. All my activities are dedicated to this. Be it the military, or housewives - it doesn't matter, I deal with human consciousness. So that it works cleanly and correctly. Everything else is the material and soil on which all this happens. The military called me - I correct their brains on military topics. For housewives - taking into account their specifics - a husband, family, children. I don't care.

-Multifunctional

- This is the same idea projected onto different environments.

- But in any field of activity, specialization is welcome

- I am a professional soldier, and not the worst. I can afford to deal with these topics. Professional analyst. Specially trained, who had been doing this for many years. And a professional psychologist. Actually, I deal with these three areas and their intersections. I analyze processes, deal with army affairs and psychotherapy on different scales. From an individual to the state as a whole.

- Coming to the system at this stage, it is difficult to resist the temptation to receive a lot of money for a simple press of a button and not accept the conditions of the game of this system

- The system is stronger than the average person. You need to have extraordinary qualities to resist it, play in it and somehow direct it. And at the same time, you will not get dirty or break. And usually a person, especially a person with ambitions - after all, it is easy to grab for them - she devours in no time. We inherited the system from Stalin. And he did it well, for many years to come.
So it needs to be criticized, ridiculed and destroyed. There is no point in going into it.

- At this stage?

- Ideally, there should be a civil protest, such as Gandhi's - complete disobedience to the system. But in our conditions, this is impossible

- And transferring the principles and methods of influence from one territory to another is generally a dubious activity. Moreover, at the moment Ukraine is not a damn state, despite the external attributes, but a territory. And a very specific one

- Our state has become a victim of the system

-I guess. And the centuries-old passionarity of the people living here laid the foundation for the scenario that we have at the moment

- Ukraine is indeed a very specific society and territory. With your own individual path

- Do they offer amounts with many zeros?

-No. They understand that I will not accept it, and givers feel such things very subtly. There is a beautiful French proverb about this: "A certain proposal is made to certain women." It is clear to me in advance that nothing will work.

- But there is a counterversion of this joke about Bernard Shaw and the Queen of England: "Well, madam, we have already begun to bargain." A question of amount

-No. This is impossible with me, I control such things very well. You can't force me to play someone else's game. Simply impossible

- Is it the depth of the firmware in case of possible manipulation or a matter of principle?

- This is an internal ontological principle, which is part of the essence, being. Not because I don't like money. I love money very much)) Or I am not capable of compromise - I am already able to run. I will not obey

- About compromises. It happens that during TV programs, your opponents are people with whom it is difficult to conduct a dialogue. "Don't understand mine of yours." Die-hard retirees, a hysterical madame, a boy from the ATO. How do you feel at such moments?

- After all, I am a professional psychologist and I know how to talk to people in their language. I don't burden innocent people with topics they can't understand. In an interview, for example, I can identify complex futuristic constructs, and you already accept them or not. But I don't burden anyone in a direct conversation

- That's not even the point. A person is incapable of dialogue. He carries his message and does not care about anything else. Like a woodpecker

- I'm a free man. If a person is insane and does not want to communicate, then we will not. If it is not a matter of solving a specific situation. In this case, I can hit the head with a butt

- Your recent European voyage - were these targeted queries "come, tell / explain" or what did it look like?

- There was a proposal to hold psychological seminars. And Nastya and I love Europe — museums, architecture

- Probably, everyone loves

- Far from all. But for me, this is an essential part of the activity, on which I am ready to spend time and money. Walk through art galleries, cathedrals

- And how do you feel about the current moment?

- In Europe, the globalist train to the future is gaining momentum. Everything is conscious, articulated, funds have been allocated for this. The project is global, the cultural basis is multiculturalism, the rejection of all old prejudices. And this train is rapidly going to the world in which there will be no borders, wars and other filth and unnecessary tinsel

- To what extent does this correspond to today's realities?

- He will move over these realities and not notice. He has great strength. The French are fighting Islamists in Mali, bombing them in Iraq, and for thirty thousand of their strikes, there is one speech in Paris. Even if we take bare arithmetic – how many Islamists the French have killed and how many French have been killed by Islamists – then there is a vanishingly small value. A hundred dead people, for all the tragedy of what happened, do not go beyond the statistical error. In fact, Islamists are defending themselves. But they do not have the necessary resources and they do not have the social technologies to really resist the West. And the attack in Paris is nothing compared to how Islamists are attacked in their homeland.

- Why did you choose Paris?

- Selected by performers. Paris and Belgian suicide bombers volunteered - in those places the terrorist attacks were carried out. And there is also such a thing as knowledge of the area, language, and so on. Because if a terrorist with explosives cannot get into the subway for the simple reason that he does not know how to do it, then nothing will happen. You need to park in different European countries in different ways. And other nuances. Therefore, people who know this particular area are selected. Which will not arouse suspicion. With normal documents that can be easily presented. And speculation in the spirit that this is a special multi-move in order to bring Le Pen to power is sheer nonsense, an attempt by panicked people to rationally explain their fear.

- I liked the idea of not clinging to Europe and going my own way. Personally, she is close to me. But will it be heard?

- In 2008, I predicted how Crimea would be seized

- I've read

- Nobody believed me. But it happened exactly as I wrote

-Yes. By 90 percent

- When I make some predictions now, they also often twist their finger at the temple and say that this cannot happen. But there is a common point in psychology and intelligence. It can be called "everything that will be, already is". This means that the signs of any, even the most distant future, are already there today. It is important to be able to see them. A good analyst is distinguished by seeing what other people don't: trends. There are many of them. And which of them will win is unknown. The fact that the polyglobalist project will win – going into space and exploring the planets of the solar system for the beginning – is unequivocal. There will be a new science, a new philosophy, art, and so on

- Do you think we will develop in this direction?

-Of course. And where to go?

"We have not yet fully explored our internal reserves, so...

- Man is such a creature that in order to make significant internal progress, he needs external expansion

- In this dimension - perhaps, but what if there are other options?

- All of humanity will not sit down in meditation. In order to develop humanity as a whole, and not a separate person, it is necessary that external factors push us to do this. For example: historians and philologists say that the first reflections in Russian literature began after the Time of Troubles. Before that, there was a stupid description of what was happening. And questions in the spirit of "why is this", "what patterns" began after the Time of Troubles, when external events shook to such a foundation that all three Russian minds, which were inclined to think at that time, did think about how Mother Muscovy lives there. Prior to this, reflection is not noted in the literature. Consequently, external upheavals gave rise to internal work.
Going into space will reveal and give rise to large layers in our culture, in our understanding of ourselves, in our relationship with the world. This is inevitable. For example, a colony on Mars is not just forty people living in bunkers in the middle of the Martian desert. From there, the Earth will be seen as a single planet. A trickle will go into the noosphere, questions will begin to be seriously raised: "Why are these people fighting, living on the same planet? Why do they need borders, customs and everything else? Why do they need a lot of governments, when there can be one?" But he flew into orbit for 40, 50, even 300 days - and returned. And in a permanent colony, interesting processes will begin. A little psychosis who will be a model of the whole Earth, but who will be affected by the landscape and the elements of Mars. That is, it will no longer be quite earthly humanity, other people. But still people. And in the interaction of these psychozoans, the Martian noosphere itself will be created, and its interaction with the Earth is a completely separate and very complex process. When up to half a million people live on Mars, the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, absolutely everything will change.
This is not visionary. For me, even the Western global project is too small. My vision is multi-global. I don't aim at the polyastral — when we live between the stars — I don't have enough for that. No concentration, no vision to embrace this. But I am a person of a poly-global era - when humanity will live on several planets of the Solar System. And I don't want this time to come much faster than we think.

- And what about the prerequisites, signs?

- Now they are talking about an engine that is disputed by NASA. From the point of view of modern physics, it is impossible, but it works. A week ago, the same NASA published an image of an object emerging from a black hole. And this cancels all our physics. At any moment, a discovery can be made that will radically change our technical capabilities.

- Then can polyastral music be added?

-Quite. But I don't swing at it, I only talk about what I feel. Polyastral is not given to me. Like many people, for example, our, so to speak, elite, are not even given a national level. They can only think about the interests of their clan, and the idea of good for the whole of Ukraine is beyond their comprehension. For me, the ceiling is still multi-global thinking. These are not speculative abstract things, I experience them physically. Therefore, I repeat, even Western projects are too small for me, but I enjoy looking at them, since they are aimed at globalization. This is already good.
However, we have another global project. Islamic Caliphate. His trouble is that he is anti-progressive and fights the West to the death.
There is another project - "Russian World". But it is even worse and smaller than the Islamic one, because it offers a multipolar world and a separate Russian civilization. And wherever civilizations are present in the plural, there is an anti-globalist discourse. In the globalist world, there is only one civilization, just going through different stages of development.
And Ukraine is just the territory where these three projects collided. Therefore, our offer is multi-global, which accommodates all projects and covers them like a bull to a sheep. There is no other way.

- I want to believe But the 90s and the present time show the presence of centrifugal processes - the collapse of Yugoslavia, the Union. And even now everything is not so simple

- And why, what forces tore them apart?

-External

- Which ones? Why did the Union and Yugoslavia fall apart?

- Because they were artificially created subjects

-Correct. These were artificially created entities under the auspices of the Red Project. It was globalist, but lost the historical battle, although for a certain period it competed with the Western one, since it was international and multicultural. And the subjects of this project began to focus on other projects. There, however, not everything is so final, in some cultural forms this project remained. And, it is possible that along with the above three, a fourth project will appear. It is quite possible that it will be left-wing, but on a new turn, but it should not be national, but on the scale of the Earth.
And the fact that the competition of projects has moved into a phase of war suggests that the Western one is extremely successful. Otherwise, there would be no need to seriously fight against him. He is a threat to others, Russia and the Caliphate are situational allies in this.
But for the West, this war is some cost and confirmation of the correctness of the chosen path. For Russia, it is a battle of civilizations, for Islamists, a battle of Good and Evil. The last eschatological hours of humanity.
For the West, this is an annoying obstacle, for opponents it is a matter of life and death.

- The accumulated potential allows the West to treat the confrontation in a similar way

- And the chosen discourse allows you to treat it this way. Therefore, the West is definitely winning.

- The only reservation. As the history of civilization shows, hungrier and angrier barbarians often overthrew powerful empires

- Lifestyle wins. When the barbarians captured Rome, their elite was already Roman through and through and spoke Latin. Here's the trick. For example, about fifty nationalities live in Georgia. Geographically and historically, the place is lively - either Mongols, or Arabs, or Turks will come to visit. The Svans and Mingrelians are more warlike than the Kartvels, but they always marched near Tbilisi as vassals and said: "Let's protect you." Why? They have a more attractive culture. The second state after Armenia, which adopted Christianity, its own writing, the highest examples of architecture and painting. They gave a picture of a more attractive life. That is, you have a cultural canon, and we defend it.
And the West, in addition to what the cultural canon can give, is also extremely aggressive.

- A canon that has no points of contact with the Caliphate. With Russia, back and forth

- And he should not have points of contact, because in this sense he is extremely aggressive. In the West, it does not happen that crosses are removed from schools and crescents are hung. Yes, crosses can be removed and Christmas markets canceled, but at the same time it is forbidden to wear the hijab. Because from the point of view of the global project, both Christianity and Islam are archaic. And all people are people of the Earth. Regardless of race, religion...

- Can you be more specific about where such an exchange takes place - crosses for hijabs?

- In many schools in France. Muslims begin to complain that they are offended by the presence of crosses, and there is a mutual offset - they take off the crosses, but the girls also take off their hijabs.
From the outside, it looks something like this: you can believe in Allah or Christ, but do not shake your archaic symbols in public places. Here we have multiculturalism.



- Are you being threatened?

- Well, how. At the household level. "If I meet you, I'll kill you." I call everyone to meet, I come. So far, no one has appeared))

-Strangely. When I read your first post on the Maidan, I did not immediately take it seriously. Reread. I watched the video. And I thought: "They'll fail the dude." Because everything is very serious

"They're stupid. And they are able to perceive a threat only if you encroach on power or on their property

- And in a momentary format. It seems that no one thinks about what can happen in five years

-Of course. What a future when you need to make money. And then some clown is talking about the exploration of Mars. What are you talking about...

- They are simply sharpened for such a way of acting - squeeze, hold, not let

- Stupid because they don't see a real threat. In addition, let's not forget that I am an officer of the special services and I know how to calculate threats to myself.

- Did you have to change the place of overnight stays and deployments?

- During the Maidan, yes, and besides, I had to hide my family

- Then - no?

- Then - no. And if they start working against me, I'll start working too. And there is someone.

- Do you really think that your countermeasures can be successful?

-Of course. Do bullets bounce off them?

- The system is the system

- The Ukrainian system is very fragmented and is creeping like wet toilet paper. As a state, Ukraine is rapidly losing its authority and sovereignty. For example, we have places where amber is mined. The state tried to penetrate this territory with the forces of the National Guard in the amount of about two thousand people. It couldn't. Understand? The Armed Forces of Ukraine were unable to enter the territory within their own state. That is, the state does not control anything there. Such is the sub-territory.
Or this example: attempts to arrest Korban and Mosiychuk ended with the fact that they were released home. Crooked performers who can't see the process through to the end. Because they lost their professionalism. An officer who "took" once and violated the oath is over. Professionalism rests on a certain foundation of moral qualities.
To successfully play improvisation, you need to have a certain worldview, a view of human problems, and a sufficient amount of personality.
The same is true here. Any professional security officer must have a very specific attitude to life in order for him to be able to implement a technical skill. And when a person is morally decayed, he has nothing to rely on. And this skill will not be able to be realized. They gradually cease to be professionals. They could not sue poor Korban, who, with all my respect to him - he provided me with his personal helicopter, helped me in the ATO - there is a reason to imprison from the point of view of the law. A lot of materials, people who can testify. But they could not.
Therefore, the threats from them do not impress me very much. In addition, they themselves do not know how to recognize one. I tell them to their faces that they will not be there and do everything possible for this, but it seems that they do not get it.
The only thing they regularly try to harm you with is to take you somewhere to the front line. But there is no need to take me away, I am a volunteer, and due to the peculiarities of Ukrainian legislation, specialists in my field can be called up only in the event of a full-fledged war. All sorts of Hubbys and Poltoraks periodically try to do this, but they bump into the legislation and this is the end of it



- Which channel is most comfortable for you to perform?

-UKRLIFE. TV. The most advanced. You can say whatever you want and there are people of the appropriate outlook with whom you can discuss all issues. There is no censorship. On "Business" in "Tyzhden with Oleksiy Arestovych" there is a very narrow focus, a tough format. The layout that you need to go through, the guest is sitting and you can't really spread your thoughts. And to talk about topics that really concern me – polyglobalism, philosophy, metaphysics, the depths of psychology – only Ukrlife. The rest exploit me for half a percent of my capabilities. In the style: "You are a military expert, tell me..."

- It seems that you are already tired of arguing that you are not an expert and waved your hand))

-And it's useless)) They appointed me, so resist - don't resist, they will still be mentioned in this capacity. There are, however, more sane ones, who, after five hundredth repetition, will still write "analyst" or "observer"

- By the way, about the analysis and forecasts. After all, they do not always come true

- Forecasts are generally probabilistic in nature. But when I name the numbers, no one hears. And I'm not Pavel Globa

- I'm talking about something else)) Probabilistic outcome of multi-global discourse

- Almost inevitable. Maybe we will come there not as a result of the Western project, but, for example, the Japanese one. Or Ukrainian. It is important that the project be progressive, uniting the whole Earth and having an eschatological orientation. Man is a creature who must constantly overcome himself. Go over the edge. Both an individual and humanity as a whole. If this is not done, it will cease to be humanity. Therefore, going into space, as an arena for subsequent major changes and transformations, is inevitable. Humanity must divide - stand on both feet, and then move on. When it puts a mirror in front of it in the form of other people, even if 7 billion people look at 40 people, this will be the next phase. And it is inevitable

- In such projects, the government as such loses its meaning, since it acts as a limiter

- There must be a world government. Not in the sense of a Masonic conspiracy, but a kind of coordinating council of the Earth. Borders must be abolished, wars must stop, and all this before leaving the Earth. You can't fly to Mars with a clear conscience when children are dying of hunger in Africa.

- At this stage, quite serious forces are interested in continuing the wars. You can even point your finger

- There were Bolsheviks who were by no means the strongest party. Such were the Socialist-Revolutionaries, a party of professional terrorists and murderers. But in the end, the Bolsheviks ended up at the top. H. G. Wells, having traveled to Russia and talked with Lenin and Stalin, understood and wrote why and how the country managed to withstand both the civil war and the collective pressure of the West. And why the Bolsheviks managed to defeat more powerful opponents. Because they knew how to dream. That's it, that's the main secret.

- But in the end it turned out to be a dream and nothing more.

- The Bolshevik discourse is very broad and accommodates several trends. For example, such a trend as Soviet science fiction. This was the most repressed trend, but there was the Vernadsky line, then Yefremov, Strugatsky, Bulychev and so on, and this line is more alive than all the living, it continues

-What do you mean?

- The Vernadsky-Efremov-Strugatsky line: a single humanity, the Coordinating Council of the Earth, access to space, and so on. Western science fiction did not give this. When she drew models of the future, she gave a picture of the same capitalism, only brought into space, scaled. And Soviet science fiction wrote about other humanity, about other people. "The Andromeda Nebula" and "The Hour of the Bull" give a picture of the change in human nature and society as a systemically set task. And with polyglobalism, access to Space and other planets will not be a scaling of existing processes, it will be their qualitative change. The most promising path of human development is along the path described by Sergei Pavlov in the "Lunar Rainbow" cycle.

- And it was the Soviet-Bolshevik discourse that gave rise to this?

- The project is not even Soviet, rather noosphere. Let's clarify. The concept of the noosphere was invented and introduced independently of each other by Vernadsky and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. The project was physically born and tried to be implemented in the Soviet Union. However, Vernadsky wrote in 1944, before his death, that he was forced to admit its collapse and the dominance of state socialism and capitalism. And how long did they persecute Yefremov and the Strugatskys? These people were born here and promoted this project. And he, in one way or another, was connected with the Soviet project. The first two Decrees of the Petrograd Soviet of People's Deputies were "On the Establishment of the Institute of Jet Propulsion" and "On the Establishment of the Institute of Radioactive Materials". This was the line of Russian cosmism – they were all raving about flying into space – Kibalchich, Tsiolkovsky, Vernadsky, some of the officers of the General Staff who helped the Soviets and later became officers of the Red General Staff. That's why they managed to win. The GOELRO plan is still pre-war. The Commission on State Resources was headed by Vernadsky, it included academicians and officers of the General Staff. They realized that the Bolsheviks were the force that was inclined to be politically delusional. The Cadets and Socialist-Revolutionaries did not want to hear about this, so it was decided to invest in the Bolsheviks. It was a situational symbiosis. But then the Bolsheviks thought less and less about the Cosmos – Trotsky wanted the World Comintern, Stalin wanted state socialism. But if they continued to think, it is not yet known what would have happened.
So the point is not that this line is Soviet. It is noosphere.

- And with the passage of time, it is relevant again

"The river went down and reappeared on the surface. In this regard, I experienced a personal tragedy - since childhood I was obsessed with Soviet science fiction and believed that only for the sake of such a future world is it worth living. And then the 90s came, and I realized that humanity began to row in the wrong direction. I began to think about the frailty of this world)), but then stubbornness took over. And now, thanks in part to my current trip to Europe, I am even surprised to realize that this trend has won and is being successfully implemented. To be honest, it was a revelation. If before the trip I still thought that such an outcome was somewhere in my dreams, at the level of kitchen fantasies, and the world was rowing somewhere else. But it turned out that the world is rowing there

- Do you have a sufficient number of signs?

- Yes, it is obvious. When we watched "Guest from the Future" and "The Mystery of the Third Planet", we did not think that this world would look like this: when on a square in the center of Hanover, a huge multicultural crowd solves common problems – "hurrah, there are no borders, hurrah there are no language barriers, hurrah we can solve everything together." At the Danish University of Technology, where we were admitted, the head of one laboratory is Pakistani, the other is Ukrainian, and the whole system is aimed at removing barriers to creativity. The atmosphere there is like in the Black Square. The main thing is maximum creative realization.

- This is the main task for any person, in principle

-Yes. In the West, more and more classes are working for this, and someone's invisible hand very concretely, aggressively and powerfully sets the direction of movement. Islam with its pseudo-aggressiveness was not lying around there, they would crush it and not notice. This is a huge high-speed train rushing into the future. The question is whether you will have time to jump into it or not.

- That is, the issue of refugees, terrorists is nothing more than a hype scaled by the media?

- No, this is a problem. The problem of confrontation of projects. But it is greatly inflated compared to the real force. We have a primitive Russian-language discourse – a war of civilizations, confrontation with the West and all that. Nonsense. Well, in reality - the population of the European Union is 450 million people. And 15 million Muslims, maybe a little more. Moreover, maybe in the first generation they are still Muslims, and in the second they are already such French and Danes that they do not approach. Because their children go to kindergartens, where everything is explained to them from childhood and brought up in the spirit of multiculturalism.

-In London, the people are moaning about the Pakistani districts

-Pakistani districts will remain Pakistani districts. Everything that is creative will leave them, and the rest will remain forever in this archaic. In this project, territoriality does not play a role — over time, such areas will be surrounded by a wall — and sit there to your heart's content. They will not let you die of hunger due to humanism, but they will not allow you to interfere with the train either. In principle, this is how everything works now: if you are unemployed, you go through a system of objective tests and report what competencies are missing. They give these competencies for free and go to work. If, having received an entrance bonus from society, you do not socialize, this society throws you out. First, they pay 90% of the benefit, then 70%, 50, 30. You will not die. Moreover, children will be educated in school, but you will be pushed out of society. You can't get into a prestigious area, and you can forget about the university.

- And what if there is a surge of stupid lumpen aggression?

-So what? Will they trample on rich areas? What the hell will they be shot. Europe is only soft and fluffy from the outside, do not be deceived. The same Paris terrorists were identified and brought down within three days. All talk about the weakness and unresponsiveness of Europe is good until the moment when you try to hit a French policeman. Or someone in his presence. At this stage, all conversations will end. Of course, the system is not without flaws, no one is able to provide 100% protection. But they know how to take their mistakes into account very well in the future.

- During TV broadcasts, one of your favorite poses is arms and legs crossed

- From the point of view of the psychology of non-verbal behavior, this is a false cliché about a closed defensive posture. Everything is exactly the opposite. When you need to pull yourself together and gain energy, you close the pose — it's like a fighting stance — and start working with the interlocutor. Therefore, when a confrontation of views and positions begins, for example, with the host, I get ready.



- What would you like to change in Ukraine in the first place?

- Ways of using consciousness. I work with consciousness and it all rests on this. Whatever a person does, whether he is making money, planning wars, or making art, he does everything with the help of his consciousness. So, this is what we need to work with. Everything always comes down to one question: how is consciousness organized? Therefore, I rush around with seminars and try to do it as much as possible.

- You could do it in a much more financially attractive mode for yourself

- Yes, he could. But I am looking for a compromise between the value of knowledge and the solvency of the population

- Do you feel some kind of mission? Without irony. You don't try to make money, although you understand that if you ask for more, they will pay, you combine a trip to Europe with cultural studies

- If necessary, I can feel it. And I generally held European seminars in the format of "pay what you think is necessary" - no money was charged for admission, and at the end I ran my soldier's hat in a circle. They threw it a little))

- That is, after all: you enjoy it, do you consider yourself obliged to do this, something else?

- I'm playing a game. In the Great Space Game. But, on the other hand, my other subpersonality sees this as a high mission, to burn, to carry the flame, like Danko. Through the eyes of which subpersonality to look at this process. I have an instrumental approach to everything

- You often mention that you have complete self-control. Have you really never caught a star?

-Never. This is how consciousness is organized. I have an extremely pompous subpersonality. Sometimes, in order to stylistically decorate communication, I can release it. But this is a stylistic device, not the real content of what I am transmitting. And then - what star? How does my consciousness differ from the consciousness of a homeless person or an academician? Nothing.

- Organization

- So this is not an exclusive technology.

- I can't filter my thoughts all the time

- I have this message: I do not do anything miraculous, although sometimes they think so.

- Training?

-Habit. I was trained so much in the Square, intelligence, in psychology, that I did learn. The training was very tough

- Constantly forcing yourself to take care of yourself is hard

- I don't have control in the format of counter-control, which monitors itself. There is an organization of consciousness that such things simply do not arise. They do not pass the filter.
The main message in this is a universalist claim. All people can do this, moreover, it is the norm. Rather, it is abnormal when people do not do this. And these are not exclusive technologies that must be earned in some way

- Well, if these are not exclusive technologies and this is the norm, why is this not in our lives?

- Because there is a Prince of this world who tries to prevent all this from happening. This is original sin. It consists in the fact that man rejects his nature.

-That is?

- Original sin lies in the fact that God created man as a creature who must constantly overcome himself. Like Munchausen, who pulled out his hair. And original sin works in such a way that a person is satisfied with what he has and does nothing.

- According to research, how many people are there - 1.5% - or even less, who try to jump over their heads?

- There is sourdough. And it should be thrown into the dough

-Thrown. But the proportions do not seem to change

-No. Humanity is developing rapidly. Soon it will be 5%. Then 15. And there are 95. And 100.

- Won't these 15% want to fly away and say: "Figure it out yourself"

- Conscience will not allow it. A normal person cannot be happy when he knows that someone is bad. Self-isolation and flight away is not the ability of an organized consciousness, but the consciousness of an egoist.

- What can you wish for yourself?

-To work. There is a logic to the process. His speed. There is no doubt that he is coming, so work, work and work again.
Now I am like that French commander who, seeing a breach in the enemy's formation, threw up his hat and said: "That's it, Lord, you don't have to help. Just don't get in the way."